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Topic One: Terms of Physical Strength and Attidute
When Goku finishes his fight with Fat Boo, Piccolo asks Goku if he could've beaten Boo if he tried his hardest, and he responds "I dunno, Boo's mighty strong. I don't think I could've." Goku is unsure if he could've beaten Fat Boo, but knows a fusion will work, like Gotenks. Well, Goku later staes at the fight with Kid Buu "When I fought Fat Boo, I could've beaten him, but I wanted to give the kids something to do." Goku didn't use more power when he could've, he wanted the new generation of heroes (ex. Goten, Trunks, Gohan) to finish the job.
When Goku and Vegeta are inside Super Buu's body, this is what he says "Wait! He's still stronger then each of us! He'll kill us if we go out like this!"
Goku admits he is weaker then Super Buu, who is weaker then SSJ3 Gotenks, who is weaker then Ultimate Gohan. But Vegeta, when he sees Kid Buu, thinks he is weak and taunts him. This is also misleading. Why? Because Goku says more or less the same thing about Kid Buu. But when they fight Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku says "He'd be no prob if we used the Potara Earings, I guess we overdid it back there." Goku says he and Vegeta were overconfident, size didn't matter, but they underestimated him anyhow.
They had to struggle, and realized they were completely overwhelmed by Kid Buu to realize they should have used the Earrings when they had the chance. Goku says "Like I said, that Buu is stronger then I imagined." The duo were false about Kid Buu. So, Goku not wanting to fight Super Buu but willing to fight Kid Buu is no evidence of Super Buu topping Kid Buu.
Later on Vegeta says "Build up your Chi with SSJ3 and you should be able to obliterate him!" Goku and Vegeta thought that Goku's full power would be enough to end Kid Buu, but due to being alive, he was limited to a supply of chi. That'd be the conclusion you'd come through, if you just read the first panel. Goku says "That's what I've been trying to do, but I haven't been able to do it yet." Goku was already trying to gather enough energy, but couldn't. They thought his full power would work, as opposed to "He'll kill us if we go out like this" him fighting Super Buu. This is a misconeption. Goku never could increase his strength. Just gather all his strength for a strike to wipe out Buu. It is like Piccolo using his Special Beam Cannon on Raditz, who was stronger then him. Goku is still much weaker then Kid Buu and Super Buu.
Also, in the manga, it shows Good Boo doing a good job fighting Kid Buu, which people think is evidence Fat Buu is stronger then Kid Buu. In the Japanese Manga, it tells you that when Fat Boo released his evil, almost all his power was inside Evil Buu. But Evil Buu only got a majority of Buu's accessible powers. Nothing more. When the Kai's were absorbed, Buu's power became more and more restricted, the most Fat Boo. So, when Evil Buu had ate Good Boo, he got more powerful to due him getting access to Boo's sealed off power, turning him into Super Buu. In essence, a fraction of a fraction. While very impressive, not the whole pie to say.
Evil Buu is just a evil manfestation of Fat Boo, like King Piccolo came from the Nameless Namek. Evil Boo was apart of Fat Boo, until it split. Evil Buu cannot be Kid Buu's equal or superior. Good Buu does much better against Kid Boo then Evil Buu. Why? Because Kid Buu was toying with him. So what if Good Boo was faring better of on Kid Buu then Evil? Evil Boo was serious, Kid Buu was not, even then, Kid Buu beat Good Buu to a pulp while toying like Evil Boo if not moreso.
Are we to believe that Kid Buu's real strength is weak when it's been obvious he's toyed with everyone?
Topic 2: The Genki Dama uses real energy.
I swear to god, Gohan and Super Buu fanboys are dumb. They say the Spirit Bomb doesn't use the Ki energy like in the show and manga, but rather Spirit/Soul Energy called Genki. Is is true? Um, no. Genki is the Japanese word not found in your American lexicon. Genki is a word that translates as a noun and a adjective. As a noun, it means energy, and as a adjective, it means energetic.
Gen-Ki
"Gen" means origin of and "Ki" means energy. So, Genki means correlates to either to the concept of personal energy itself or or being such full of amazing energy. Ki and Chi are the same exact thing. Ki is the Japanese Variation of the Chinese word Chi, which means energy.
So, currently we have for this topic..
Gen-ki (adj)/Gen-ki (noun)
1. Energetic
2. Energy
Ki:Energy
Chi:Energy
So, we established that Genki doesn't mean your giving your soul energy or other bogus like that. It's a word for energy, and also is a term for energy. Yes it is called the Spirit Bomb, but it doesn't mean you give your spirit energy. Think about it.
1.The Idea of giving up soul/spirit energy like that is idiotic
2. Plants, Oceans, and even rocks give energy to the spirit bomb.
It's possible to get your energy back by resting, but how the hell do you get soul energy? It's shown that energy can be regenerated, but not soul or spirit. It makes sense if it's simple energy being given, since anyone can tire or even die from working to much without rest. Kibito Kai even says he is too tired to get Goku back to full health, why? Because he is giving his energy to the spirit bomb. If it's not regular ki, the hell is it? "Soul Energy?" He'd be dead.
When Goku was healed again, he used his newly replenished Ki to push back the Super Spirit Bomb to kill Kid Buu. He didn't give his "soul/spirit energy." King Kai states "Remember that the "spirit ball" is a martial artist's most disciplined move that allows you to borrow energy from every thing, plants, trees, grass."
King Kai never stated that you need Soul/Spirit energy to form the spirit bomb. If you need it, why do plants, oceans, rocks, planets, or even stars give power the the Spirit Bomb? They don't. They give regular energy when they are asked upon.
Now, obviously a rock doesn't have fighting power, but the idea of inanimate objects can lend power likely derives from the concept of latent energy, that is hidden or unused energy can be brought out. For people living in the west, it might sound pretty stupid, and yeah it IS pretty stupid, but it's a eastern concept that has been established into the show. So, we can at least acknowledge wtf is going on whether it makes sense of not. A rock having ki makes no ess sense then Pickle Demon Kings and Magic, Bubblegum demons that are pink
So, if someone tells you that the Genki Dama/Energy Sphere/Energy Ball doesn't use ki (energy) or chi (energy) but spirit energy, tell them the actual truth. It makes sense not all of Gohan's energy was used in the Spirit Bomb, he'd die without any energy. Goku says "Everyone please! Lend as much power as you can! Please!" However, the spirit bomb takes as much as possible. It is shown that people have extreme exhaustion, tiredness, and an inability to perform techiqunes or even stand!
The Z-fighters, the namekians, the judges (King Yemma, Servants) the world population donated their energy to the spirit bomb, and it STILL wasn't enough to kill Kid Buu until Goku had gotten his power restored and pumped it in to that attack, putting it over the top.
Genki and Ki are the same thing. Dragon Ball makes no differation between the two. It was a lie, and illusion from the Super Buu supporters to lower the accomplishments of the more powerful Kid Buu.
Kid Buu is inbetween Super Buu (Gotenks) and Super Buu (Gohan) Kid Buu is the strongest nonfused character, Super Buu is weaker. Deal with it. 
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D'aww, this is fun! Keep cracking these out! 
Now, before you go further. Breathe. Breathe a lot.
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KEY
Pure Boo = Kid Boo
Evil Boo = Super Boo
Pure Evil Boo = Gray Boo/Skinny Boo
Table of Contents
I. Pre-Fusion (SSj2 Majin Vegeta up to Base Gotenks [pre-RoSaT])
II. Fusion (Base Gotenks [pre-RoSaT] to SSj3 Gotenks)
III. Post-Fusion (Ultimate Gohan to SSj Vegetto)
IV. Arguments & Counterarguments
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I. Pre-Fusion
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Fat Boo fights SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta, who was equal to SSjin 2 Goku, and crushes him. Vegeta resorts to self-destructing because he's so far below Boo and sees no other choice. We've got this so far:
Fat Boo > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P7.1-2
Context: after Vegeta blasts a hole through Boo’s chest
Boo: “That hurt…a little bit…hehehe…”
Vegeta: “…Are you immortal?...”
Chapter: 466 (DBZ 272), P1.3
Context: after Boo’s big attack that makes a crater
Vegeta: “…Wh-what the?...Ridiculous; he’s st-strong, and to top it off immortal too…Damn it all…”
Chapter: 466 (DBZ 272), P2.3
Piccolo: “Even Ve-Vegeta absolutely can’t scratch that thing…”
Chapter: 467 (DBZ 273), P1.2-3
Trunks: “N-no! We’ll fight too! You’ll be killed on your own, papa! We’ll definitely be able to defeat him if we 3 do it together!”
Vegeta: “It’s no use…No matter how many of us go at him…Not if we fight in the ordinary way…”
Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.1
Piccolo: “Just as Kaioshin feared, Majin Boo’s strength surpasses our imagination…If we leave him alone like this, then without a doubt all life on not merely the Earth, but throughout the entire universe will be wiped out…”
Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.6-7
Goku: “Damn it! If either Vegeta or Gohan were alive, maybe we could have managed something…”
Piccolo: “…No, it probably wouldn’t matter how many people went at him…He wasn’t at that level…”
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P10.7
Context: after Goten and Trunks question Goku’s power and Piccolo gets mad
Goku: “It’s alright, Piccolo…I really am weak. It don’t look like I can beat Majin Boo, not even a little bit.”
2. SSjin 3 Goku stalls Boo so Trunks can get the Dragon Radar. When Goku returns to the Lookout, Piccolo asks him if he could have beaten Boo had he gone all-out, and he tells Piccolo he "probably" couldn't have. Although Goku said here that he couldn't beat Boo, their fight shows him to have the advantage, and Piccolo is visibly skeptical, hence his question to Goku, so going solely by power at this point, we've got this:
SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8
Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?”
Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…”
II. Fusion
Spoiler: click to toggle 3. Goku introduces Fusion and states twice that if the boys perfect it, they'll definitely be able to beat Boo. The boys could only go SSjin, and Goku measured their full power for a reason, so that's what Goku assumed they'd beat Boo with, otherwise he would have stated they could beat him even without the use of the form, as Trunks later specifies beating Evil Boo in their regular state and not a transformed state. Also, Goku tells Piccolo that he told Boo a stronger fighter than him would come in 2 days; he never actually told this to Boo, but Piccolo doesn't know that. Now we have:
SSjin Gotenks (predicted) > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two, if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat him within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”
Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”
4. Goku leaves and the boys finally get Fusion right. Gotenks forms in Base first, and right away Piccolo tells him he's not strong enough to even think about beating Boo. Gotenks cockily disobeys Piccolo and leaves to fight Boo, but returns after a prompt butt-kicking, cementing Piccolo's statement. Although he gets his butt kicked, he was confident in fighting Boo, and Krillin and Yamcha also seemed to think he stood a chance. In order for Gotenks to feel confident, he would have to be comfortably ahead of SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta and Goku at the very least. We have:
SSjin Gotenks (predicted) > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”
Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…”
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”
5. The boys then fuse as Super Saiyans, and Piccolo immediately comments on SSjin Gotenks's power in a positive way, but questions if his speed is up to par; notice he doesn't question Gotenks's power, and he merely asked for a "little" demonstration of his movement. When Gotenks flies off and Piccolo finally catches up to him, Gotenks flaunts his speed and flies off again, but Piccolo shows no contempt except that Gotenks only has 1 minute left to fight Boo. Since nothing thus far contradicts it, we have:
SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”
Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P9.3-8
Context: Piccolo finally catches up to Gotenks
Gotenks: “You’re slow. So you finally got here? Besides circling around the Earth several times, I even took a little afternoon nap. [ ] Fuffuffuh…So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…! …Which is to say that the test is over, and I’m going to go take care of that annoying Majin Boo right away…”
*Gotenks takes off*
Piccolo: “H-hey, you idiot! Kuh…! Wh-what a *****head…H-he already has only 1 minute left that he can stay merged. That dimwhit…!”
6. Evil Boo forms and Piccolo immediately rushes the boys into the Room of Spirit and Time, telling Krillin that they can't win as they are now. He also states Evil Boo is superior to Fat Boo in all aspects, including strength. We have:
Evil Boo > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”
Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”
7. The boys train for about 15 days (about 1 hour in the outside world). While still training, Trunks states that even with "regular Fusion," they should be able to beat Boo. When Base Gotenks actually forms, Piccolo thinks they might have a chance. This puts Base Gotenks above his previous Super Saiyan power by a decent margin at least.
Evil Boo ~ Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P3.5
Context: Trunks doesn’t like the idea of fighting Boo as a Super Saiyan 3 from the start
Trunks: “I think…that we’ve already progressed so much that even in a regular state Fusion, we’ll be about equal with Majin Boo...”
Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”
8. It turns out Goku was right that Boo's Ki was "like a lie," and Base Gotenks is promptly shoveled off the pavement after being humiliated; so Evil Boo was heavily underestimated. It takes Super Saiyan 3 for Gotenks to actually damage Boo to any worthwhile extent. Near the end of their fight, it appears as if Gotenks is about to finish Boo, but time runs out and he splits back into Goten and Trunks. Evil Boo later states to Gohan that he felt Gohan's Ki on the Kai planet and decided to wait for him. For simplicity's sake, we'll put Gotenks and Boo on par with each other, so we have:
SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Gotenks: “Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened.”
*Boo comes out*
Gotenks: “…He ain’t weakened…This really pisses me off!”
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”
Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!”
Piccolo: “Don’t let your guard down! He’ll be coming at you frantically now…!”
Gotenks: “Dahhahhah, that’s problem, no problem at all! That’s just what I was hoping for!”
Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”
III. Post-Fusion
Spoiler: click to toggle 9. Gohan, his potential freshly released thanks to Elder Kaioshin, ends up whooping Boo's candy ***** all over the arena, so Boo self-destructs and the fun begins, giving us this:
Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P1.3, P2.4
Context: after Gohan beats up on Boo
Gohan: “You can’t win…”
[ ]
Gohan: “I see…So you tried testing your power just to be sure, and I really was above you…That’s too bad, Majin Boo.”
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P3.2
Context: Boo says he’ll kill Gohan
Gohan: “You’re the one who should best know just how impossible that is…”
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan!”
10. Boo absorbs SSjin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo to become Gotenks-Boo, and proves himself quite superior to Gohan, so much so that Gohan resorts to stalling in a cave until the Fusion runs out. Another important tidbit is that he states himself to be the most powerful Boo to date. We now have this:
Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P11.1
Boo: “…What do you think, Gohan? My strategy succeeded safely. Look, isn’t it magnificent? This is a moment that will never appear again, no matter what the future may hold: the birth of the strongest majin.”
Chapter: 500 (DBZ 306), P6.4, P7.1
Context: after Gohan and Boo fight a bit
Boo: “What’s the matter? You’re erasing your ki and hiding in a place like that…Are you trying to stall for time? Meaning that just from that you seem to have realized…That like this, you’re absolutely no match for me…”
Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P5.6
Boo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P7.1
Context: talking to Goku after knocking out Tenshinhan
Boo: “…That guy just now was apparently quite a master, but he was reduced to that state in just 1 one kick…You’re making some worthless boasts…Frankly, no matter what you try, you absolutely won’t be able to even inflict damage on me.”
11. Gotenks defuses inside Boo (Piccolo-Boo), reducing his power so much that now Gohan can beat him again. We have:
Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”
12. Boo absorbs Gohan (Gohan-Boo) and leaves Goku dropping chocolate soldiers all over the battlefield. Once again, Boo states himself to be the most powerful Boo to date, so we get:
Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P13.1
Boo: “Fu…fuhahahaha…! This is great! I’ve powered up even more than before! And what’s more, now there’s no time limit!”
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P2.5-6
Context: after Boo absorbs Vegetto
Elder Kaioshin: “…Don’t you think it’s a little strange? …Each time Majin Boo has absorbed a warrior up to now, his power has gone up and his appearance has changed…But this time…”
Kaioshin: “He hasn’t cha-changed…! Wh-what’s that mean!?”
Note: as we soon learn, Vegetto’s barrier prevented him from being truly absorbed.
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P3.5
Context: after Boo ‘absorbs’ Vegetto but nothing happens
Boo: “Hmm…Well, at any rate, I absorbed him. I have now become the strongest majin; without a doubt, there is nobody throughout the various worlds who compares to me…That’s fine…”
13. Goku and Vegeta use the Potara earrings to make Vegetto, who practically crucifies Boo, giving us this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”
Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P1.2
Context: after Vegetto outclasses Boo
Vegetto: “…Well, don’t feel too bad. Even I’m surprised. To think that I’d be able to make this big a fool out of you.”
Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P5.2
Context: after Vegetto destroys the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack
Vegetto: “Did you really think that kind of technique would work on me? A child thought that technique up. You’re pretty desperate, aren’t you?”
Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”
Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P9.5-6
Context: after Boo turns Vegetto into a candy ball, and candy-Vegetto promptly hits him
Vegetto: “Sorry, my bad. Unfortunately for you Boo, it seems that somehow my strength hasn’t changed, despite me turning into this. What will you do? Your opponent is the world’s strongest candy ball! This is bad for you, isn’t it? I’m so small that it’s hard to attack me.”
14. Goku and Vegeta defuse inside Boo. They detach the boys and Piccolo from inside Boo and Vegeta wants to blast his way out, but Goku quickly tells him that they're no match even for normal Evil Boo. Nothing's changed from before, so we still have this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5
Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body
Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…”
Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell ya to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”
15. They manage to get out of Boo's body after detaching the innocent Boo (Good Boo), which transforms Evil Boo into a buff version of himself (Buff Boo). Goku questions if his Ki is increasing, so we have this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”
16. Buff Boo continues transforming and reverts to the original Boo, Pure Boo. Vegeta makes a comment on Boo's size, and Goku rejoices that they've "done it," which in context means they've weakened Boo to a level that they can handle without merging. Since they were deciding on who would fight Boo first on the Kai planet, this points to Boo being below even SSjin 2 Vegeta's level; if Boo was emitting power on par with a SSjin 3, I doubt Vegeta would have any qualms letting Goku go first. So we have this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Context: ‘He’s shrunk’ refers to Boo’s body, not his ki.
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P6.8, P7.1-5
Context: after Kaioshin hands Goku his Potara but he refuses it
Goku: “…Like I thought, these…just ain’t suited for us…Even though you went out of your way to hand ‘em over…We want to fight with only our own power. I’m sorry, especially since things are so dangerous now…But he ain’t merged anymore either…“
Elder Kaioshin: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! And at a time like this! It’s not like you gu-guys are in a martial arts match with Boo, you know!”
Vegeta: “…Well said, Kakarot. Just like a true…Saiyan.”
Kaioshins: “…!”
Goku: “It’s alright. I’m tellin’ ya, don’t worry. He can’t come all the way here. We’ll think up some sorta strategy. I feel bad for the aliens who will be sacrificed in the meantime, but we’ll use the dragonballs later…”
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P10.2
Context: as Goku and Vegeta prepare to fight pure Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “Fr-from the looks of it, they don’t intend to perform Fusion either…Shi-*****…! Saiyans are so troublesome…!”
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.3
Context: as Goku and Vegeta play rock-paper-scissors to decide who fights Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “Th-those dimwits! Th-they intend to fight one at a time?! They’re not gonna fight together?!”
17. Goku wins the game and faces Boo first. He transforms right to Super Saiyan 3 and a nigh-equal battle unfolds between the two (the anime goes crazy with the filler in this battle). Goku stops for a moment and Vegeta tells him that at full power, he should be able to completely obliterate Boo with Super Saiyan 3. Goku says he's been trying but hasn't had the chance yet. He also states he could've beaten Fat Boo but chose not to, giving us this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Fat Boo > Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
18. Goku begins charging up and Vegeta faces Boo, but gets squashed without even hitting Boo once. As Boo is about to hurt Mr. Satan, he stops and spits out Good Boo. The two fight and even though Good Boo quickly becomes a rag doll, he does better and lasts longer than Vegeta did, even forcing Pure Boo to use more effort on him, while his regeneration powers which were going down since he was fighting another Boo. This also gives us a good place for Pure Evil Boo (the gray one), since he was stated to be stronger than Good Boo but couldn't be stronger than Fat Boo, giving us this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo ~ Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
Supporting Quotes
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P2.3
Narrator: “Due to his strong anger, the evil portion that Majin Boo had kept inside himself greatly swelled up and became another Majin Boo, who came flying out…In other words, he was divided into a pure evil Majin Boo and an innocent Majin Boo…”
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P12.4
Context: after good Boo fights pure Boo a little
Good Boo: “…Uh oh…I kinda can’t win…”
Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P6.1
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo
Goku: “Th-this is bad…this way it’s only a matter of time before he’s done in…”
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P5.3
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo some more
Vegeta: “…This is bad…Have you noticed, Kakarot?...The fatso’s power is falling…If it’s Boo against Boo, then he could take damage…”
Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P3.1
Context: as pure Boo continues to beat up on good Boo
Vegeta: “*****…! Th-this is bad! The fat one is on the brink of death…”
19. Goku finally completes the Genki-Dama and fires it, but because of his diminished stamina, Pure Boo is able to hold it back. Once Goku's stamina is restored by Porunga, he's able to push the attack and finish off Boo for good. All in all, we end up with this:
SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo = SSjin 3 Gotenks = Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo ~ Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku
IV. Arguments & Counterarguments
Spoiler: click to toggle If you followed along, considered the quotes, and have read the manga and didn't rely on the self-contradicting anime, then this is roughly what you would come up with. Some points people debate, like Base Gotenks's strength post-RoSaT, but overall, most people that use the manga for debates come up with something similar to this lineup. I'll go even further and address some of the points I know people, particularly Pure Boo > Evil Boo believers, will most likely bring up. 1. Inside Boo, Goku was lying to Vegeta and wanted to fuse because he didn't want to upset Vegeta with Super Saiyan 3, was afraid the strain from the form would weaken him too quickly to win the fight, and was also afraid he would remain the size of a flea. That and he didn't want to fight too hard, so he wanted an easy victory. Counter-argumenta. While this is somewhat true, Goku wouldn't let himself die just to protect his friend's pride. 7 years prior on the Lookout, he blatantly told Vegeta that he was a lot stronger than him, knowing it would potentially piss him off. Even during the Boo arc, although he didn't use the form in their fight for a few interpretive reasons, it doesn't necessarily mean he was protecting Vegeta's pride. Super Saiyan 3 was a last resort, and he was trying to get Vegeta to fight alongside him and Gohan under the false pretense that they could win. During the fight with Pure Boo, Vegeta's conversation with Goku confirmed that Goku used the form without thinking about Vegeta's feelings. Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”b. Goku had no clue about the strain of the form in a living body until he was well into the fight with Pure Boo. Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P1.2
Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3
Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”c. There's absolutely no indication Goku thought he'd remain small if he left Boo's body. The whole context of the happenings inside Boo was that without any type of fusion, they were doomed. When Goku did try to blast a hole in Boo, he was surprised his power had changed, meaning he had no idea being that small had an effect on him when he stated Boo would kill them without Fusion/Potara. d. This is really unfounded and has no evidence to back it up. Goku states Boo would kill him even with Vegeta's help as long as they weren't merged. 2. Gohan's Ki wasn't enough for the Genki-Dama so Pure Boo can't possibly be weaker than Evil Boo. Counter-argumenta. Gohan didn't donate all of his Ki, shown by how he's not winded like the earthlings. Goten and Trunks didn't fuse into Gotenks or even turn Super Saiyan, so why would Gohan be giving all of his chi? It wouldn't make any sense. It's also stated by Goku that Vegeta's chi hadn't been fully recovered after he'd been brought back to life, so it's likely that Gohan and others weren't at their best either. The Genki-Dama collects genki, which is just one part of three of raw ki (I juggle between "chi" and "ki", but it's the same thing), as stated by Toriyama in the SEG: Story Volume. - Quote:
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Q. What's the trick to winning battles [in the DB world]?
A. Toriyama says it all comes down to 'ki', the size of it and the ability to control it. He says it includes several forms: genki, yuuki & shouki (energy, bravery & true character). You can only train your muscles to a certain point, it's 'ki' that carries you beyond that and what helped Goku come closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.
You also have have to think about who else was donating to the Genki-Dama, namely the cyborgs (Nos.18 & 17), who were stated to have unlimited energy, both in the manga and the Daizenshuu. If the Genki-Dama took ki, and the cyborgs had an unlimited supply of it, why wouldn't their energy be enough on its own? Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”3. Pure Boo was totally toying around with Goku. He didn't take the fight seriously until the Genki-Dama, and he even pushed that back. Counter-argumenta. There's nothing to prove this as true. Pure Boo ran on instinct. He was never in any danger with Vegeta or Good Boo, but Goku actually challenged his livelihood. b. Boo holding back the Genki-Dama is in no way proof that he was stronger than Goku. It's made a point that Goku can't fire the Genki-Dama correctly because of his failing stamina. c. Boo pushing back the Genki-Dama was anime-only. In the manga, he never does this. 4. Both South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo, so when they were taken away, Boo returned to his most powerful state. Counter-argumenta. This is completely false, and most likely brought about by the anime, and Viz's translation doesn't help. In the original Japanese, after Kibitoshin explains Boo's past, Elder Kaioshin ascertains that the he was finally complete and that Pure Boo is the most troublesome one. Kibitoshin then says that the heart he gained by lowering his power through absorption has returned to the way it was. Daizenshuu #7 states that only Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo . Most Pure Boo supporters dismiss the Daizenshuu entry as just "guidebook crap," and dismiss the original Japanese translation as just "another fan translation" and say that Viz is the only good translation because it's official. In the Viz translation, Elder Kaioshin states that the "souls [Boo] ate tamed him," which is easy for Pure Boo supporters to say proves that both the Kaioshins weakened Boo. But this isn't so, because even if the Japanese translation is translated by a fan (an unbiased, reliable fan at that), it's a direct translation, and not an "adaptation" like the Viz translation, so it is more accurate, whether the Pure Boo supporters want to accept that or not. Not to mention Boo being weakened is only mentioned in the Japanese version, and not in Viz, so those who use Viz over the Japanese version can't have their cake and eat it too. 5. Kibitoshin states Pure Boo is the most powerful Boo, so it must be true. Counter-argumenta. This is a case of people taking the anime's word over the manga's. In the anime, Kibitoshin, Goku, and the narrator all state Pure Boo is the strongest, at least in the original Japanese version. Nobody says this in the manga. b. Gotenks-Boo states he is the most powerful Majin to date. He has memories of his past, so it'd be a foolish mistake to say he doesn't remember being Pure Boo. Gohan-Boo also states he has become the strongest Majin, so both of them are stronger than Pure Boo by their own admission. 6. Goku was going to help Gohan fight Gotenks-Boo, so he has to be stronger than Evil Boo at least. Counter-argumenta. Goku acted recklessly because his son was in danger. Elder Kaioshin told him that he couldn't beat Boo even if he and Gohan fought together, and Goku admitted he was right, and then brought up Fusion as an option. Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”
Vizbig, vol.9, pg.216
Goku: "Then I'm off!"
Elder Kaioshin: "Son Goku! Wait!!"
Goku: "Huh?!"
Elder Kaioshin: "How do you plan to beat Boo? I don't think the two of you together could do it."
Goku: "...Uh...um...uh...I know!! Fusion!! Gohan and I will fuse!!"7. Goku fought Gotenks-Boo and did better than Gohan. Counter-argumenta. This is anime filler. Goku never fought Gotenks-Boo in the manga, and was sweating when Boo charged him. Even in the anime, Goku couldn't get a single hit on Boo except for one Ki blast when Boo was distracted, while Gohan was able to fight evenly with Boo in the beginning of their fight. 8. Goku is stronger than Gotenks so he has to be stronger than Evil Boo. Toriyama even said it in an interview! Counter-argumenta. First off, Toriyama never said such a thing. That was a fake interview made up by a fan. Any Japanese fan will tell you how that "Super Otaku Magazine" does not exist. b. Goku states Gotenks would be stronger than him and it's never contradicted, so it remains true. 9. Goku wanted to bring both Gohan and Gotenks to fight Boo, so obviously he didn't think just Gohan could do it. Counter-argumenta. It was more of a first-thought thing; he was stating ideas off the top of his head. 10. Vegeta states that Goku is the only one that can fight Pure Boo, so that must mean Goku and Pure Boo are the strongest ever. Counter-argumenta. Vegeta does say this, but he hadn't felt the powers of Gotenks or Gohan, who were also dead at that point. b. If you take Vegeta's comment at face value and ignore context, that would mean SSjin 3 Goku and Pure Boo are stronger than SSjin Vegetto, which defies the entire point of Goku needing to fuse with Vegeta. 11. Goku was telling a white lie about Gotenks to give everybody false hope. Gotenks isn't stronger than Goku or Boo. Counter-argumenta. This is a common excuse to keep Goku ahead of Gotenks, but it falls apart quickly. Why would Goku leave the fate of the entire universe in someone weaker than Boo? He might not make the smartest decisions sometimes, but he would never purposefully doom the entire universe. You might bring up his decision not to kill Fat Boo in response to that, but remember he had Gotenks as a backup plan. b. Piccolo, who knew SSjin 3 Goku's power and Fat Boo's power, had no problem allowing SSjin Gotenks to fight Boo. As brought up above, he only ever feared for Gotenks's safety when Gotenks had 1 minute left to of Fusion time. c. Piccolo never denied that SSjin Gotenks was exactly what Goku said he would be. When SSj Gotenks formed, the first thing Piccolo did was comment on his power in a positive manner. 12. Goku wanted the boys to use the Room of Spirit and Time in order to be powerful enough to beat Fat Boo. Counter-argumenta. Another common excuse used by Gotenks detractors. This is easily countered when you look at the context of the quote. Goku told the boys they didn't have time to be crying because Babidi could find them at any moment, which is when Piccolo brought up using the Room of Spirit and Time. Goku's response was that it shouldn't be used for something the boys will learn quickly, that it should be saved for later. The context of that entire conversation was the boys being able to learn the dance before Babidi and Boo found them. It was not in any way, shape, or form about the power of the boys or the power of their hypothetical fusion product. Vizbig Vol.8, pg.357
Goku: "We don't have time for crying!! Learn this fast if you want revenge!! Got that?!"
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Goku: "Sorry, but we don't know when Bobbidi will find us. We've gotta start now."
Piccolo: "Will you use the Room of Spirit and Time?"
Goku: "No. They can only use it for two days in their whole lives, right? They might need it later. I'm sure they're gonna learn this quick."13. Goku said using the boys was a gamble, so that means he really wasn't sure Gotenks would be strong enough. Counter-argumenta. Piccolo was the one who originally brought up this gamble, and he was speaking about time - not power - when he did so. Later, after Goku had fought Boo and returned to the Lookout, he and Piccolo began talking about the time they had left for the boys to master the Fusion Dance. In that conversation, Goku said it was a gamble to let the kids be the ones to deal with Boo, but he knew they were good enough to at least try because it would be better for the future that way. Regarding that specific conversation, the "gamble" would be in reference to the boys' ability to deal with such a huge task and that much pressure when they hadn't been in a real battle their entire lives. Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P11.1-3
Context: Goku tells Piccolo that he ‘probably’ couldn’t have defeated Boo with Super Saiyan 3
Piccolo: “…Probably? Knowing you, why didn’t you try until the very end?...Does it have to do with that energy…?”
Goku: “No… I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…”14. Goku was holding back against Fat Boo, so he wasn't at full power. Counter-argumenta. This is probably the most common argument made by those who don't believe SSjin Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) was stronger than SSjin 3 Goku. While it's true that it is never stated in the manga that someone can't suppress their power in a form they haven't mastered, it is heavily implied by the fact that nobody every does display this ability prior to mastering their form, and by Vegeta when he expresses respect and astonishment that Goku and Gohan figured out how to control Super Saiyan to the point where they were barely giving off any Ki and felt "natural" in the form. Instead of holding back power, it's more likely that Goku was holding back effort, as in pulling his punches. This is evidenced right at the beginning of Z when Raditz, who couldn't control his power, stated that he'd begin using more effort in his attacks against Goku and Piccolo. b. Goku stated he was barely used to the form after apologizing for taking so long to transform in front of Boo. Combined with the previous point, it's very unlikely that Goku was able to hold back any power. 15. Goku could only achieve full power in Other World, so he was never at full power against Kid Boo. Counter-argumenta. This is not true. It is never said nor implied that Goku can't achieve full power outside of Other World. Goku states at the beginning of his fight with Kid Boo that he was going to go all-out, then later when it's said that he could obliterate Boo with Super Saiyan 3, he admits he could've but missed his chance because he underestimated Boo's resilience and didn't account for the immense stamina drain of the form. During the process of charging up his power, Goku says that he'd gathered his power close to full, but that it was beginning to slip away from him. After Goku falls out of the form after being unsuccessful at gathering his power, he comments that the form eats up an excessive amount of Ki in a living body. Putting all of these comments together would indicate that Goku did in fact start the fight at full power, but due to his underestimation of Boo and overestimation of his abilities, he lost his window of opportunity, and his Ki was draining faster than he could gather it. Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P1.6
Context: Vegeta asks Goku if he’s gathered enough ki to defeat Boo yet
Goku: “I…I know..! I know, but…It’s strange… I gathered my ki close to full power, but…The ki which I al…already gathered has begun falling off…!”
Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P10.3-5
Context: still with the ki-charging business
Vegeta: “Ka…Kakarot…!! …Cut it out…! How long will it take? Do…do it now…N…not yet? Have you still not gathered the ki...!?”
Goku: “Da…Damn it…Damn it…!! …It shouldn’t be…It shouldn’t be like this…!! My…my power…my power is…Fa…falling off…”
*he reverts from Super Saiyan 3 back into his regular state*
Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P1.2
Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3
Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”16. SSjin 3 Goku's power was felt across dimensions. SSjin Gotenks's pre-RoSaT power wasn't. Counter-argumenta. Actually, yes, Gotenks's power was felt across dimensions like Goku's. Goku comments on not being able to sense the "kids' fused chi" during the time when SSjin Gotenks is fighting Evil Boo in the Room of Spirit and Time. This means he had to have felt it beforehand to notice that it wasn't there anymore. 17. The Daizenshuu says Gotenks wasn't even stronger than Vegeta until he trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, so Goku was lying to everyone. Counter-argumenta. That argument is debunked in this post and this post here. To put it bluntly, the Daizenshuu entry is both vague and incorrect in this case.
[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20111021170729/http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_a-c#arificial_human_17
[2] Daizenshuu 7, Majin Boo Entry
[3] Pure Boo's Supremacy (Anime)
[4] http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=24987691&postcount=11
[5] http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8581748&t=8348696
[6] http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8581722&t=8348696
Edited by Pyrus, Oct 17 2013, 02:21 AM. |
ok so you're saying that Kid Buu>>Mystic Gohan>>SSj3 Gotenks>Super Buu>SSj2 Gotenks>SSj Gotenks>Base Gitenks>SSj3 Goku FP?
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5:03 PM Jul 13